Different Types of Water Containers

The author of Squeaky is a big water drinker.

Preferably sparkling, and therefore gaseous.
It is advisable to drink two to three liters of water a day, or even more, and it is even often marked on the bottles. In case of effort, in particular, a bottle is quickly engulfed. And do not even talk about health problems that thirst.
But, all these bottles, carefully packaged and colored do not necessarily inspire confidence, while what about the normally saving content for health?

A bit crazy, I did a little exercise: buy a bottle of each “fizzy” water available on Ezinesports.com.
I now find myself at the head of a herd of 29 bottles, for a total of 34.65 liters, and a global budget of 12.78 €.
So, both make my experience useful and share it …

An article that is not scientific, far from it, especially as we touch almost on the medical, and that each case is particular, all in a context of multinational agri-food and distributors overpowered.
The goal is to play the consumer all con, but a little … Squeaky;

In search of lost PET

But by the way, are they made in what all these pretty plastic bottles?
Well in “Polyethylene Ter phthalate”, says PETE or PET, normally identified by this logo, with the number 1:

The funniest thing is that some of the bottles do not have this logo, or molded in PET or on the label, or it is hidden …
As for plastic caps, they are “high-density polyethylene”, Or HPDE, with the number 2:

Look well inside a cork, you should be able to distinguish it if you have good eyes.
Of course, there is color in all this, do not even try to know with what substances they are obtained…

Water in gas or gas in water

Actually, we do not even know in what direction it is going.
Water is most often advertised as “natural / gaseous mineral water”, but it is regularly “reinforced with gas from the source”, “regasified with its own gas”, or with “addition of carbon dioxide”.
In short, there are manipulations, not necessarily explosive, but not far.
Note that gas has become a real business in the sparkling water sector, since the same waters can be declined in different bottles, generally Green vs Red, for more or less fine bubbles.
The composition is strictly identical, but the price generally not. As for the bubbles and taste, each judge, a bit like Champagne…

Sources at all sauces

Ah, what a beautiful business, which is more “authorized” or “Box”! …
“Recognized mineral water since 1861 by imperial decree” for Vichy Célestins.
Or with an “authorization” prefectural or ministerial, not always very recent indeed.
Often there are mentions, much like castles “Ribeauvillé since 1888”, “San Pellegrino Terme 1899”, “1778” (source Badoit Saint-Galmier), etc.
But as for sauces, there is also reheated, or re-used.
So OGEU exists own brand, but if you go U system side, it will read in transparency, large print which only the outline is visible, “SOURCE GAS No. 1 to OGEU” … Do not look, the Water is strictly the same, but prices obviously not. And then there is a variation U “fine bubbles” …
Ditto for Alizee actually Chambon, you will find in private label (MDD) Leclerc, but Cora.
Some sources are almost masked … Ondine belongs for example to Intermarché.
You’ll find Castel Rocher (Auvergne, 63) at Lidl, under the brand “Selected by Saguaro”, but also in Carrefour, with the mention “naturally carbonated natural mineral water” . But Lidl highlights a button “Recognized FLAVOUR of the Year 2016” …

Health

So there they put the package!
And do not even talk about commercials on TV. Moreover, the Rozana pub gives me an ulcer nothing to see or hear …
There are always arguments to save your life, heal yourself, or you can live better, lightweight due to bubbles.
The problem is that the arguments often put forward are dangerous or intended to hide misery or even real dangers.
But of course, the consumer is supposed to know what he is doing. Except that he should be properly informed.

Labeling, or the kingdom of the “square” confusion

Oh sure, there are references, tables, or characters in single file …
But who really understands?
Everything is reduced to liter, for bottles of 100 cl (there, that goes), but also for containers at 115, 125 or 150 centiliters.
Afterwards, you have to do mathematics, and above all know what it entails, and that is far from being won.
Sometimes the key figures are simply not mentioned, or replaced by a reference to “legal” to discard, including fluorine …
In short, it is “serious”, but it is not.
And of course, all this is done with the complicity of the “public authorities”.
Rest assured, I will give you a summary table;-)
But here it labels “composition” of 29 bottles of the sample:

Now, to help you, I have developed a table for you.

Oh, of course, it is not exhaustive! First because there are not all the available water, but only those (relatively) easily found in my area. But also because it rests on the indications of composition provided on the labels, and not on an analysis of each bottle. Obviously, I remain in my role as a blogger who drinks water;

Review of columns (water)

I will make one comment per column, knowing the content of each one.
There, I leave you a little to yourself, or in the hands of your dietician, doctor, or even your favorite kicker. Wikipedia may also be useful, but not that.
You will find the titles bicarbonates, chlorides, sulfates, nitrates, fluorides, Sodium, Potassium, Calcium, Magnesium, Silica, residue dry, acidity …
Just below, you have chemical symbols …
Why? To make it serious? Yes, but not only!
Know that Perrier, for his green bottle, uses only that:

Authentic !
Let us conclude that only chemists can buy this bottle, or that the customers have a blind trust in this brand (property of Nestlé).

Bicarbonates, also called Hydrogen Carbonates

This is supposed to be good for digestion, but also deodorize, or cleanse / whiten. In short, we recommend it for a lot of things!
Except that this can cause hypertension problems, and it is advisable not to exceed 20 grams per day.
These waters alone contain:

  • 4,368 g / L for Vichy St-Yorre
  • 2,989 g / L for Vichy Célestins
  • 956 g / L for Castel-Rocher (Saguaro 877 from Lidl + Carrefour)
  • 837 g / L for Rozana

Your maximum daily dose can be quickly outdated because this is added to other contributions …
In the table, the ratio is 1 to 36 between the lowest and the highest grade, it’s huge!

Chlorides

Who wants to drink chlorine? Basically, the bleach …
We advise you to remove the water from the tap, with more or less effective filters.
However, tap water is normally limited to 0.1 mg / L, and WHO sets a sanitary limit of 5 mg / L.
From 200 mg / L, one begins to feel the taste …
Yet you have:

  • 649 mg / L for Rozana
  • 322 mg / L for Vichy St-Yorre
  • 260 mg / L for St-Diéry (Leclerc)
  • 235 mg / L for Vichy Célestins
  • 230 mg / L for Sainte-Marguerite
  • 229 mg / L for Castel-Rocher (Saguaro 877 from Lidl + Carrefour)

Curiously, Quézac does not mention it, the heading simply does not appear on their composition.
Here the ratio is 1 to 185!

Sulfates

Basically, fertilizer. Who wants to consume these dirty things?
Already there are some in almost everything that we are advised to eat “At least five fruits and vegetables a day” … So much to add, is not it?
It must, of course, but it makes leak calcium, and it is laxative.
So if you want to purge yourself and have good diarrhea, go for 1,000 mg / L! Or drink the amount to reach …
As for taste, you start to feel it from 500 mg / L.
And do not look too much if you have the current after having much ingested these waters:

  • 430 mg / L for San Pellegrino
  • 230 mg / L for Rozana
  • 223 mg / L for Castel-Rocher (Saguaro 877 from Lidl + Carrefour)
  • 174 mg / L for Vichy St-Yorre
  • Approximately 140 mg / L for Vichy Célestins, Vernière and Carola

Here again, silence on the bottle at Quézac, while a search on the Internet tells us that it would be loaded at the height of … 143 mg / L!
In the sample, the ratio is 1 to 82!

Nitrates

More “fertilizers” … Who wants more sulphates?
Normally, it should simply not be taken into account because of everything else that is absorbed.
Then the marks juggle with the “Lower” (<), or simply do not speak of it.
Around 8 mg / L, records are held by Perrier and Puits St-Georges (Casino).

Fluorides

Oh, fluorine!
A nice shit, especially since it is most often used without our knowledge, not only in toothpaste …
Many labels are silent on the subject.
Yet on my box Salt End “iodine and fluoride” brand “The Whale,” there is this note: “Do not use if the drinking water contains more than 0.5 mg / L fluoride. ”

Knowing that these waters are:

  • 6 mg / L for Castel-Rocher (Lidl + Saguaro 877 Carrefour)
    (In fact, Lidl downright cache and shockingly information by merely mention “Contains more than 1.5 mg / l of fluoride: not suitable not for children under 7 years for regular consumption. “, but as the water is the same as that of Carrefour which delivers information on its side …)
  • 2 mg / L for Quézac
  • 8 mg / L for Source St-Pierre (Cora)
  • 2 mg / L for Badoit
  • 0 mg / L for Vichy St-Yorre

How is it done, if one follows the advice of my salt box called “sea”?

Sodium

Ah, here, to caricature, the good old “salt” …
You know, the one we advise you to reduce or eliminate in full plans.
Hypertension, cardiovascular disease, stomach cancer, osteoporosis, etc.
It puts us everywhere, the hides, so as not to stuff into something normally good for health, water …
Yes, but here is dramatic!
My box of salt, again, tells me that for 1 gram of salt (about 1 pinch), there are 0.393 grams of sodium … Elsewhere, we find the rate of 40% …
And since I am both “Squeaky”, And sometimes very “con”, we will bring back the doses of Sodium announced in equivalent “salt” ordinary end …

  • 1,708 g / L for Vichy St-Yorre → 4,27 g of salt
  • 1,172 g / L for Vichy Célestins → 2,93 g of cooking salt
  • 756 g / L for Castel-Rocher (Saguaro 877 from Lidl + Carrefour) →89 g of salt
  • 493 g / L for Rozana →23 g of cooking salt
  • 460 g / L for Puits St-Georges (Casino) →15 g of cooking salt

Do you want a clear idea of ​​what that means?
It’s simple, fill a “HPDE” bottle of water bottle to the brim of salt, and you get (balance correctly tared):

8 grams of salt, or 3.2 grams of “sodium”: this is what you ingest with only 2 liters of Vichy St-Yorre or 6.5 liters of Rozana!
In this area, between the most “titrated” water, and the one that announces the lowest sodium, the ratio is … 1 to 380!

Potassium

Potassium is needed.
The diet would bring between 2 and 6 grams per day. 2 grams being considered as a necessary minimum.
There, there is little to say, because the waters of the panel remain reasonable potassium question. It is therefore necessary to add these contributions, often marginal, to the rest of your daily diet.
On this point, the most heavily loaded waters are:

  • 110 mg / L for Vichy St-Yorre
  • 66 mg / L for Vichy Célestins
  • 65 mg / L for St-Diéry (Leclerc)
  • 52 mg / L for Rozana
  • 44 mg / L for Castel-Rocher (Saguaro 877 of Lidl + Carrefour)

In order to reach the recommended minimum daily intake, it would be necessary to drink between 18 and 45 liters of these waters per day, and do not even talk about the others …

Calcium

I have a tube next to me that tells me that a tablet provides 500 mg or 63% of the “Nutrient Reference Value” (NRV), which brings us to 800 mg / day. Other sources indicate 1000 mg / day.
It’s good for bones, especially. And it would seem that absorbing it in an exaggerated way would not be harmful, but everyone does not agree on this point. In case of excess, it is called hypercalcemia.
The water that brings the most and Rozana, with 301 mg / L. Drinking 3 liters would be enough to bring the daily dose.
Yes, but here, this water is very loaded with sulphates (see above, 230 mg / L), reputed to make flee the … Calcium !!!

Magnesium

Again, I have another tube next to me, and it is mentioned that a tablet provides 200 mg or 53% of the RDA ( “% of the Recommended Daily Allowance according to Directive 2008/100 / EC on nutrition labeling for foodstuffs ” ), which brings us to about 380 mg / day.
Unsurprisingly for undergoing some advertisements, Rozana is leading with 160 mg / L, the other being either half or very far behind (the ratio is 1 to 80) …
But on this point, since we We even have right now a “health coach” who wants to teach us breathing to end up with this water “rich in magnesium” … Yes, but it is also rich, even very rich in Bicarbonates, Chlorides, Sulfates and Sodium …: – ((

Silica

Sand … It seems that it would protect from Alzheimer’s disease …
If you want, consume Rozana (97 mg / L), St. Diéry (77 mg / L), Salvetat (50 mg / L), Badoit (27 Mg / L) or San Pellegrino (7.1 mg / L).
The others do not talk about it.

Dry residue

There, it is simple, it is what “remains” in the saucepan once the water heated to 180 ° C until evaporation.
If the water is “pure”, normally there is nothing left …
On the other hand, the above components are found there …
So this can be good or bad sign.
This ranges from 178 mg / L (Ondine) to 4774 mg / L (Vichy St-Yorre).

PH Acidity

A neutral pH is 7.
The more he tends to 0, the more it is acidic.
Do not be surprised to have heartburn with low pH water.
For this reason, Plancoët (4,60), Cristaline (5,10), Ogeu (5,2) and its derivatives System U (which does not mention it), Alizée (5,4) Leclerc (+ Adeline) and Cora.
The least acid of all being Ondine (property of Intermarché), with a pH announced at 7.65 … Would it be because it finally contains very little, and with the lowest residue rate?

Capacity / Price paid / Price per liter

Pay attention to the capacities, because in this format, everything is made to complicate the comparison.
So always consider the price per liter, which ranges from 0,1733 € (Source Adeline ECO + Leclerc) to 0,60 € for Badoit Rouge.
This delta is clearly enormous and unjustified, although it may vary from one region, and especially one point of purchase to another.

Conclusion

Objectively, I have a problem because now we have to drink it all;-)
And there in the lot that make me downright scared. But fortunately, it is only a bottle each time.
For other waters to which I was accustomed, I will simply change brand / source in the light of this analysis.
The argument “HEALTH” is most often abusive, even dangerous in the absence, precisely, of medical prescription. Moreover, waters such as Vichy (St-Yorre & Célestins) clearly come within this very non-consumptive framework.
Some “advantages” are there, very often, only to mask important defects, some of which are crippling.
Let us not forget, moreover, that a water loaded with salt / sodium, it makes … Drink!
The solution ? Except very particular expectations because of deficiency or envy of intoxication (s), to seek the best compromise, in all simplicity, and without listening to the commercial arguments.
It is up to you to choose in your soul and conscience, and I hope that this article (and its appendices) will help you.

With that, I say: To your health!
And I add: Some “water” can be dangerous, drink them with … Moderation!

Vignette: «The water is finally complex, and it is not necessarily clear, especially in bottle» © PF / Grinçant.com (2016)

© PF / Grinçant.com (2016)

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Addendum 21/03 / 2016-18h00: Additional elements in my comments 17:13 and 5:43 p.m. .

Addendum of 11/04 / 2016-17: 45:

I added to the panel Saguaro Adeline (Red) Lidl which was absent straight day of shopping, but as I get hold of it;-)

You will understand, as he is the source “Adeline” that water is identical to the Adeline Source (ECO +) Leclerc (R on the table).

At Lidl, is also sold in bottles of 1.5 liters, but at the price of € 0.35, or 35% more expensive than the version Leclerc (0.26 € per bottle).
It has a “1” on the handle of the pack, and it is much more “frequentable” (or neutral) than the “877” of the panel (W) as to its composition.

Addendum of 05/09 / 2016-14: 30:

Crystalline (Cristal-Roc source) has changed its packaging. The plastic is identical (rather soft), but switches from blue to transparent / green. As for the label, it goes green to blue + Appearance of a slogan “Deliciously Bubbly!”.

The composition remained unchanged, but appearance of the silica content (14 mg / l) and disappearance of that of the fluorides (which was “<0.3”):

The price paid remains the same: 0,26 € the bottle of 1,5 L, 1,56 € the pack of 6 bottles (9 liters).

Addendum of 25/09 / 2016-15: 30:

Crystalline (Cristal-Roc source), yet, is also sold at Carrefour, almost anonymously, since in the range “Products whites” CMI (for “Carrefour International Goods”, but the Carrefour brand does not appear explicitly).
It is sold at the same price as the original (Cristaline) elsewhere, that is 0,26 € a bottle of 1,5 L, 1,56 € the pack of 6 bottles (9 liters).

The composition is of course identical, except that there is in addition the mention of “Fluorides” (0.1 mg / L).

Here is the label:

Addendum of 18/10 / 2016-15: 30:

Attention ECO + Leclerc (R mark), it is no longer the source Adeline, but the Cristal-Roc seems to seep into all the large distribution channels.
It is therefore advisable to refer to this source (Cristaline, reference N) in the table. Of course, the composition / Average analysis is strictly identical.
The PET bottle is no longer neutral, but becomes blue (like the old Cristaline is now changed to green, see addendum of 09/05/2016 ).

Here is the new label, with a vertical “CRISTAL ROC” on the side:

And, hang on well, here is what it gives in a linear Leclerc …

By cons, if the bottles of 1.5 L are all 0.26 € each, pack of 6  Cristaline (the original “Source Cristal-Roc”) is € 1.51 against € 1.56 for MDD € .CO +, whereas it should be, logically, cheaper.

Addendum of 02/11 / 2016-11h00:

Bottles CRISTALINE (a brand of ROXANE group) may contain water from very different sources (well see) based on periods, regions and points of sale: Alizee, Celine, Chantereine, Cristal-Roc, Crystalline, Elena, Eleanor / Saint-Jean-Baptiste, Saint-Léger, Saint-Martin / Saint-Médard, Sainte-Cécile, Sainte-Hélène, Saint Lucia, Hagia Sophia…

If it is not the Castel-Roc, the most common (that of the painting), think to look at the analysis table!

See my review of the 02/11 / 2016-10h23.

Addendum of 03/12 / 2016-14h00:

Amazing sequence in the broadcast Health Survey “Salt: alert our plates” of 29.11.2016 on France 5, the portion of the “debate” where appropriate, normally, to answer the question: “Some water Minerals contain salt, which ones to avoid and which to privilege? “